Posts by The Fall Guy

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Help Elders poking nose in

by Formerbrother in

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what can i do when elders want to poke their nose in?.

they want to have another chat with me and my wife, but we dont want to, it just gets us down..

Formerbrother, in order to kill the elders inquisition attempts, and to keep yourself safe with as little backlash as possible, put on a humble and submissive tone of voice the next time the Pharisees call you, as you say this to them - "Brothers I really appreciate the concern you have for me and my family, but at the moment, as spiritual head of my household, I have to deal with private & personal concerns which can't be discussed with others - not even elders. If things change, I know that I can come to you. Thanks again for your concern."

This works! If they ignore you and try to push, simply repeat, "private & personal" and end the conversation.

They'll discern very quickly that they've hit a brick wall! Best wishes.

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Will the Watchtower Company in the near future start asking for a tithe?

by Sour Grapes in

it appears that the borg has some financial issues and i would think they are related to the hush money being paid out for the child molestation lawsuits to protect the guilty cult members and the fine untarnished reputation of the jdubs.. we have seen how much the borg refers to the hebrew scriptures for their guiding principles whenever it suits the borg's needs.

tithing certainly is laced throughout the old testament.

under the mosaic law, there were three tithes.

The Fall Guy

No tithe. The org's wolves will just remind the sheep of the Bible "principle" of the widow's two small coins - to give as much as you can.

Congregations will then be informed that the "faithful slave" is introducing a new & more efficient method of collecting donations which will conserve valuable funds - donate regularly via bank transfer.

Now every JW can be "encouraged" to donate, because the wolves in the KH can now monitor the "sacrifices" of each individual - just as they presently do with the Monthly Reports.

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How long is a generation?

by LevelThePlayingField in

what splain does in his talk and chart illustration is make the leap that a generation can have two groups.

and in this case the two groups span more than 108 years.

but no where in scripture is there ever a notion that a generation has two groups.

The Fall Guy

@ LTP - (Job 42:16) “After this Job lived for 140 years, and he saw his children and his grandchildren—four generations.”

Even JW's without a higher education can divide 140 by 4 and get the right answer.

@ SOUR GRAPES - The JDubs will say that even though Jesus was referring to his time period that his words were prophetic and had a second fulfillment in our time.

As Vanderhoven points out, Matthew 24:21 eliminates any possibility of a “greater fulfillment.”

Jesus said that the great tribulation he referred to would never occur again! Which part of 'never' don't JW's understand?

The G.T. At Revelation 7:14 is in context with the G.T at Revelation 2:22 and is not alluding to Matthew 24.

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18-Year Old Daughter Moves in with Boyfriend and studying to become a witness

by RunAwayDaughter in

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friends

my 18-year-old-daughter, who has not finished high school, left south carolina on january 31 with her 22-year old boyfriend to move in with his family in california.

they are jehovah witness.

daughter: i love you too.

The Fall Guy

Why don't you supply her with some very pointed questions to pose to those who are ~~studying~~ indoctrinating her? Such questions will assuredly trigger an adverse reaction towards her from all of the JW's in the household. If that doesn't open her eyes, nothing will.

PM me if you'd like some relevant Bible v JW literature suggestions.

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Sunday's Watchtower Study March 18... Another Money Appeal

by BluesBrother in

january 2018 issue "why give to the one who has everything?

an unashamed contribution appeal... this one with the most manipulative language i can imagine... it may have been commented on before, but i am going to anyway.. p5 quote.

"would you not agree that jehovah is worthy of all the glory and honor that we can give him by offering the best that we have?

The Fall Guy

@ Vidiot - On the face of it, the the org has never had so much money in its grubby little hands and at the same time had the least expenses. So why is the cult constantly fleecing the sheep? Need or greed?

I am optimistic that it's need - triggered by the financial crash and the WTBTS's very heavy losses in the Wall Street casino. (exacerbated by law suits) Please let it be so!

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Sunday's Watchtower Study March 18... Another Money Appeal

by BluesBrother in

january 2018 issue "why give to the one who has everything?

an unashamed contribution appeal... this one with the most manipulative language i can imagine... it may have been commented on before, but i am going to anyway.. p5 quote.

"would you not agree that jehovah is worthy of all the glory and honor that we can give him by offering the best that we have?

The Fall Guy

A couple of years ago, I casually asked a zealous JW friend how he would react if the GB sent a letter to all congregations stating that the org was on the brink of financial collapse and begged JW home - owners to earnestly consider consolidating their properties by selling up and moving in with another JW household - and then send the proceeds of sale to the org, in order to prevent bankruptcy.

I was pleasantly surprised when he said he wouldn't sell his house for the org! :)

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Do You Think a Schism is in the Future?

by lepermessiah in

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friends

i was thinking about this over the weekend.

just this week, there was the "consolidation" talk (in my wife's congregation) , the article about shunning that went viral, and the annual "show your love and obedience to jehovah by giving us your money" watchtower.

i know my wife said people are running scared about this consolidation even though it was sold as maximizing space to help other areas, build kh in other countries, etc...... the media and government has hit them hard in many countries, but they have gotten off easy in the usa, where the majority of the people and money reside.

The Fall Guy

Lepermessiah said, "this religion is going to have to change to survive."

I reckon the cult is going to continue with their program of making the sheeple change to fit the org's 21st century strategies.

R&f JW's are being dominated and controlled more than they have ever been in the history of this cult, and the hierarchy will simply maintain their "great tribulation/Armageddon" message of doom to keep them in line.

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Watchtower back to criticising the United Nations

by AverageJoe1 in

the outline number 44 from this year’s regional assembly states:.

la organización de las naciones unidas es en realidad una falsificación del reino mesiánico, y es una ofensa para dios.. .

translation: “the united nations organisation is actually a counterfeit of the messianic kingdom, and it is offensive to god.”.

The Fall Guy

Nothing ever changes. The WTBTS continues to make bullets for "worldly" folks to fire at r&f JW's, while "the faithful slave" gang is safely tucked up in their Warwick version of Moonbase Alpha.

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Russia Uses Nerve Agent to Assassinate Spy

by cofty in

what started as news of a man and woman being found unconscious on a park bench 12 days ago is escalating into an international incident.. sergei skripal had worked as a double agent for british intelligence mi6 before he was discovered and imprisoned in russia in 2006. he was later flown to england as part of a spy-swap in 2010. on sunday 4th march he was discovered along with his 33 year old daughter yulia close to a shopping centre in salisbury.. since then the story has become increasingly bizarre.

a policeman who was first to attend the scene also became critically ill and remains in hospital.

government scientists at porton down have confirmed that the cause is a russian military-grade nerve agent novichok.

The Fall Guy

@ COFTY - "Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey was not first on the scene at the park bench where Sergei and Yulia were discovered. He was assigned to the investigation and attended their home on the outskirts of Salisbury."

They fell ill after leaving the restaurant and never reached their home?????? The waters get muddier.

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Russia Uses Nerve Agent to Assassinate Spy

by cofty in

what started as news of a man and woman being found unconscious on a park bench 12 days ago is escalating into an international incident.. sergei skripal had worked as a double agent for british intelligence mi6 before he was discovered and imprisoned in russia in 2006. he was later flown to england as part of a spy-swap in 2010. on sunday 4th march he was discovered along with his 33 year old daughter yulia close to a shopping centre in salisbury.. since then the story has become increasingly bizarre.

a policeman who was first to attend the scene also became critically ill and remains in hospital.

government scientists at porton down have confirmed that the cause is a russian military-grade nerve agent novichok.

The Fall Guy

Whoever authorised these attempted murders were worse than amateurish by leaving such an attributable "calling card" at the scene of the crime. Or was it left deliberately, in order to point a finger?

Jill Dando's assassin never left such blatant clues - and he has never been identified. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Dando

Just a question for UK folks: one of the two policemen who first attended the scene (and was also infected) was a Detective Sergeant. Surely uniformed beat cops would have been sent to a situation where persons appeared ill in a public place? I've never heard of detectives being first responders to such a scenario. Unusual to say the least.

Adds to the conspiracy theories I suppose.